The TC grip I was referring to was the 'initial' that had the deep Slash where your hand web rests, it gave pretty a Chunk. The 2 TC's I have now tend to be the later on (larger sized 'humpback' type) grips that handle recoil far better, not a difficulty during the 30-30, 35 Rem. and 375 Earn. barrels I have.It shouldn't be relied upon as exact for